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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 7, 2006 1:07:33 GMT -5
Mr. Bell,you asked how's that for knowledge....try again.
Yes,that Grammy was a gift.Everybody knows that Pheonix Rising album was better than anything that they put out after.Matter of fact MOST people think that P.R. was the album that actually won a Grammy.Gift indeed. You are the one who talked like "I'm Here " was a Grammy winning song..check your post.
You claim that your intention is not to knock the Review but your post say otherwise.
As far as me trying to make myself look better by pointing out your LACK OF KNOWLEDGE..that cracks me up. I could not point out your lack of knowledge if you wouldn't display it so often.
You can question mine anytime you think that you can learn something.
You say that everyone knows about Rickey's short stay with the group and how Damon came on despite Otis not being particularly fond of him...make up your mind...you were telling people how Otis hires talented people...how did Damon get in the group if Otis thought he was too young and couldn't cut it?
Was Otis THAT much in need of a tenor? Or is it that he was NOT in charge of new hirees?
Now,let's go to Kenny Gamble...where you get mixed up again. Don't you remember in Otis' book where he claimed that Glenn got beat up in a after hours spot and got frustrated after seeing Glenn in that condition that he said something about seeing if Kenny Gamble could pull it off? Don't you remember that David,Eddie,Dennis,Melvin & Otis met with Gamble in Philadelphia,and he said that Kenny meant business? He wasn't thinking about Richard or Glenn,he knew that Gamble & Huff were the producers that he longed to work with. You call that "standing firm"? You must be joking.....you're making me look good. ;D The first time Gamble talked to Otis about it,the group had already asked Dennis to come back. If Dennis hadn't left the group,their Atlantic stint might have been better.
So what Louis sang David's part in the movie? That and twenty four cents couldn't help you make a call to 911 on a pay phone.
Truth is Otis knew that Dennis was a special talent and should not have got mad when the producers wanted Dennis to lead on the majority of the songs.One reason why Dennis left in the first place. Dennis thought that was petty. It wasn't like he ASKED to sing lead on every song. In fact,when they recorded "The Temptations Do The Temptations",Dennis really didn't want to sing lead at all...he wanted to keep the peace. He also wanted the group to rehearse for a year. He knew that the shows that the Tempts were doing at the time was not up to par. He saw groups like the OJay's really SINGING...he knew that the Tempts could do better but the powers that be didn't see it that way. Big mistake on the "powers that be" outlook. The Atlantic Records stint made those "powers" realize their mistake..I just wish that I could have seen the look on their faces when they had to ASK Dennis to come back. ;D Otis didn't tell you about that?
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Post by MARK BELL on Jun 7, 2006 11:57:23 GMT -5
THAT IS ALL WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE NOW. IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL. I THINK DENNIS IS HAPPIER DOING HIS OWN THING AND HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH OTIS, HE CAN DO THINGS HIS WAY. YOU ARE RIGHT THEIR STINT IN ATLANTIC WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER WITH DENNIS, BUT WHEN HE LEFT AND ALI CAME IN, MIKE YOU HAVE TO ADMIT ALI PUT OUT SOME REAL NICE RECORDS. BUT DENNIS VOICE ESPECIALLY IN HIS HAYDAY COULDN'T BE MATCHED. AS FAR AS I'M HERE, PR IS BETTER BUT THAT IS A NICE SONG AND I WAS SO PROUD OF THEM FOR THAT GRAMMY!
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 8, 2006 1:48:01 GMT -5
THAT IS ALL WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE NOW. IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL. I THINK DENNIS IS HAPPIER DOING HIS OWN THING AND HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH OTIS, HE CAN DO THINGS HIS WAY. YOU ARE RIGHT THEIR STINT IN ATLANTIC WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER WITH DENNIS, BUT WHEN HE LEFT AND ALI CAME IN, MIKE YOU HAVE TO ADMIT ALI PUT OUT SOME REAL NICE RECORDS. BUT DENNIS VOICE ESPECIALLY IN HIS HAYDAY COULDN'T BE MATCHED. AS FAR AS I'M HERE, PR IS BETTER BUT THAT IS A NICE SONG AND I WAS SO PROUD OF THEM FOR THAT GRAMMY! Ali's songs were ok I liked "Set Your Love Right" and "Soul II Soul" the best. "Treat Her Like A Lady" was good too.But to me he tried to do too much in one song. I'm like Norman Whitfield,you know keep it simple. "I'm Here" was a good song but not Grammy material. That's why I call it a gift. |
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Post by MARK BELL on Jun 8, 2006 11:32:39 GMT -5
WHAT ABOUT LADY SOUL (MY FAVORITE ALI SONG), SPECIAL, HOOPS OF FIRE AND SOME ENCHANTED EVENING (HE AND THEO DID A REMARKABLE JOB ON THAT SONG)! DO YOU THINK ALI SHOULD HAVE COME BACK IN 2003, WHEN HE WAS ASKED. I DO BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD HAVE MADE THAN A LOT BETTER THAN THEY ARE NOW. DENNIS NORMAN WHITFIELD YEARS WERE HIS BEST IN MY OPINION. I THINK DENNIS BROUGHT OUT THE BEST IN THE TEMPTATIONS AND THEY BROUGHT OUT THE BEST IN HIM. PAPA WAS A ROLLING STONE IS MY FAVORITE TEMPTATION SONG EVER! DENNIS AND THE REST OF THE GUYS ROCKED THAT SONG. MIKE I'M JUST CURIOUS, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT IMPRRESSED WITH THE CURRENT LINE UP AND THEIR BIGGEST COMPLAINT SEEMS TO BE GC CAMERON. DO YOU AGREE? IN YOUR OPINION WHAT COULD OTIS DO TO GET THEM BACK ON PAR. I PERSONALLY THOUGHT ALI SHOULD HAVE COME BACK BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A BUSINESS AND THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THAT FANS WILL NEVER KNOW ABOUT. I ALSO WONDERED WHY HE WOULD FIRE SUCH GIFTED PEOPLE LIKE THE LATE HARRY MCGILBERRY, THEO PEOPLES, AND ALI WHEN HE KNOWS THE OVERALL SOUND WILL SUFER! IS THERE A SUCH THING AS A SECOND CHANCE?
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 9, 2006 1:38:15 GMT -5
WHAT ABOUT LADY SOUL (MY FAVORITE ALI SONG), SPECIAL, HOOPS OF FIRE AND SOME ENCHANTED EVENING (HE AND THEO DID A REMARKABLE JOB ON THAT SONG)! DO YOU THINK ALI SHOULD HAVE COME BACK IN 2003, WHEN HE WAS ASKED. I DO BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD HAVE MADE THAN A LOT BETTER THAN THEY ARE NOW. DENNIS NORMAN WHITFIELD YEARS WERE HIS BEST IN MY OPINION. I THINK DENNIS BROUGHT OUT THE BEST IN THE TEMPTATIONS AND THEY BROUGHT OUT THE BEST IN HIM. PAPA WAS A ROLLING STONE IS MY FAVORITE TEMPTATION SONG EVER! DENNIS AND THE REST OF THE GUYS ROCKED THAT SONG. MIKE I'M JUST CURIOUS, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT IMPRRESSED WITH THE CURRENT LINE UP AND THEIR BIGGEST COMPLAINT SEEMS TO BE GC CAMERON. DO YOU AGREE? IN YOUR OPINION WHAT COULD OTIS DO TO GET THEM BACK ON PAR. I PERSONALLY THOUGHT ALI SHOULD HAVE COME BACK BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A BUSINESS AND THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THAT FANS WILL NEVER KNOW ABOUT. I ALSO WONDERED WHY HE WOULD FIRE SUCH GIFTED PEOPLE LIKE THE LATE HARRY MCGILBERRY, THEO PEOPLES, AND ALI WHEN HE KNOWS THE OVERALL SOUND WILL SUFER! IS THERE A SUCH THING AS A SECOND CHANCE? I think that Norman Whitfield brought the best out of Dennis and the Temptations. I also think that Woodson made the right choice by joining the Review. There are more singers to share the load in the Review than in Otis' group. He would not have made a difference in Otis' group. It would have been the same thing all over again. Woodson singing all of the songs. I am one of those who is not impressed with the current line up and it has nothing to do with GC. The new songs that they have recorded are not good. "Legacy" was terrible.."Reflections" is not what the group needed at this time. The current line up has not been together that long to be singing remakes. Let's face it,their show is them singing remakes. They have not established themselves yet. They need to focus on making music and getting producers that fit their talent. G.C saved their butts on Motown 40 . He sings the "classics" well better than Bo & Woodson. G.C. doesn't try to do too much and still adds his style to it. Anyone who blames G.C. must not have ever seen the man perform. He is a "soul singer". The group needs to remember what they had to overcome in the past. They wouldn't have survived if they had to sing the songs that Ruffin made famous when Dennis first joined and didn't perform any of the songs that Dennis recorded with the group.Nevermind the fact that Dennis sang the songs very well,he still would have been compaired to David Ruffin. Listen to "Live At The Copa"...then listen to "Live At The Talk Of The Town" ,where the group performs their "newer" material. They performed their current songs. I've even seen them perform "Take A Stroll Through Your Mind". They didn't stay stuck in the past. They sang the "classics" in medley form leaving more time for newer songs. That's why songs like "Lady Soul",and the others that you mentioned didn't do better than they probably should have. They also need to stop changing line ups so often,there's no stability the public can't get a fix on them because of the changes in members. They don't give Ron enough leads. Let him sing "Sail Away" and "Truly For You" in their shows. Last,but not least..the biggest problem is relying on Otis to do everything. There is no "I" in group.It's a team effort. So,the question should be "What could the GROUP do to make things better?" Paul Williams said it best in his 1970 SOUL interview when he said "No one man controls the group,no one man can stop it". To Otis' credit he never outright said that he does everything for the group. He left the door open for that notion to be believed that he is the "Alpha & Omega" of the group. But mostly that's their "fans" saying that stuff ..but they got that from the book & the movie.They really don't know any better. And that's what I mean when I say "Lack of knowledge of the group's history". The Tempts didn't begin in 1983,they didn't begin in 1998 In order for anyone to know about them they have to go to the very start of the Tempts,not the Distants,or the Primes it's good to know about them but they weren't the TEMPTATIONS.Kel Osborune was not a Tempt no more that Richard Street was a Tempt until 1971. That talk about him being there from the beginning is garbage just like him saying that he took HIS rightfull place in the Tempts when he replaced Paul.Paul was never a member of the Distants. But if you don't look into the history,statements like that can be the wool that's pulled over your eyes. If you remember from where you came from,you will know where you're going. That's what Otis' group needs to do...Remember the history of the TEMPTATIONS. You didn't make it all by yourself...You had help from somebody else". Otis didn't do it by himself...remember that. |
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Post by MARK BELL on Jun 9, 2006 14:52:06 GMT -5
I THINK OTIS FELT THAT HE HAD THE VOICES FOR REFLECTIONS, AND THEY GAVE IT A TRY, WHETHER THE PUBLIC BUYS IT OR NOT IS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I REALLY LIKE GC CAMERON ESPECIALLY IN CONCERT SINGING THOSE CLASSICS. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WHEN YOU SAID THAT GC IS A TRUE SOUL SINGER. THEY JUST NEED THE RIGHT PRODUCERS WHO REALLY KNOW THEIR VOICES. BUT DOESN'T OTIS KNOW THAT! I AM SUPRISED THAT THAT THE TEMPTATIONS DON'T SING MORE NEWER SONGS IN CONCERT. THAT IS ONE WAY TO GET THE PUBLIC FAMALIAR WITH THE NEWER MATERIAL.I WOULD REALLY WANT RON TO DO MORE OF HIS OWN LEADS (NOT JUST EDDIE KENDRICKS SONGS) IN CONCERT. AS FOR ALI, THE GUY IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES. I THOUGHT HE ADDED SO MUCH TO THE TEMPTATIONS WHEN HE WAS THERE. HE DID LEAD A LOT OF SONGS, BUT THAT'S JUST LIKE DENNIS WHEN HE WAS THERE, MOST OF THE SONGS WERE HIS. ALI IS ALSO A SONGWRITER SO I FELT HE COULD HELP IN THAT DEPARTMENT. I GUESS THAT IS WHY I PREFERRED ALI BACK IN OTIS GROUP BECAUSE I KNEW HE WOULD CARRY THE SHOW. DOESN'T OTIS KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC GETS TIRED OF THE CONSTANT LINE-UP CHANGES, THE SOUND AND THE HARMONY IS EFFECTED BY ALL THIS! AS A FAN THOUGH, I TRY TO SUPPORT THEM, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T AGREE WITH SOME OF THE DECISIONS OTIS MAKE. I ALSO REALIZE IT MUST BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH THE SAME FOUR GUYS DAY IN AND DAY OUT. DENNIS HAS MANAGED ON ONE CHANGE IN MANY YEARS OF THE REVIEW. RICHARD STREET IS ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHO I THOUGHT HAD IT PRETTY GOOD WHILE HE WAS IN THE TEMPTATIONS. HE REPLACED PAUL AND STAYED 21 YEARS AND HAD SOME DECENT SONGS ALONG THE WAY LIKE HEAVENLY, FIREFLY, AIMING AT YOUR HEART, AND SHOW ME YOUR LOVE. HOWEVER I DON'T THINK HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO START HIS OWN GROUP. HE SHOULD HAVE STAYED WITH THE TEMPS OR LEFT ALTOGETHER. MIKE WHAT DO YOU THINK OF OTHER TEMPTATIONS GROUPS. WHY SO MANY? AND IF YOU WERE AN EX TEMP WOULD YOU START YOU OWN GROUP. I WOULN'T BECAUSE I WOULDN'T I COULD DO IT ANY JUSTICE! MY REPUTATION WOULD SPEAK FOR ITSELF!
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Post by JustME on Jun 10, 2006 12:30:35 GMT -5
I find it strannge that on a BOARD dedicated to the REVIEW all the two of you can do is talk about the TEMPTATIONS. That gospel cd platinum yet? Tin? Aluminum? LOL
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Post by RealTemptations fan on Jun 11, 2006 22:08:40 GMT -5
I find it strannge that on a BOARD dedicated to the REVIEW all the two of you can do is talk about the TEMPTATIONS. That gospel cd platinum yet? Tin? Aluminum? LOL I find it "strange" that you would care  |
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Post by MARK BELL on Jun 12, 2006 14:41:53 GMT -5
WELL, JUST ME, THIS IS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REVIEW AND TEMPTATIONS! I KNEW THE REVIEW ALBUM WASN'T DOING WELL. IT DOESN'T EVEN GET TALKED ABOUT AT ALL. I HOPE THEY GO INTO THE STUDIO WITH ALI THOUGH!
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 13, 2006 1:37:27 GMT -5
WELL, JUST ME, THIS IS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REVIEW AND TEMPTATIONS! I KNEW THE REVIEW ALBUM WASN'T DOING WELL. IT DOESN'T EVEN GET TALKED ABOUT AT ALL. I HOPE THEY GO INTO THE STUDIO WITH ALI THOUGH! Who said that the Review's Gospel cd isn't doing well? It's said that "Reflections" isn't doing well. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 13, 2006 1:50:43 GMT -5
I THINK OTIS FELT THAT HE HAD THE VOICES FOR REFLECTIONS, AND THEY GAVE IT A TRY, WHETHER THE PUBLIC BUYS IT OR NOT IS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I REALLY LIKE GC CAMERON ESPECIALLY IN CONCERT SINGING THOSE CLASSICS. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WHEN YOU SAID THAT GC IS A TRUE SOUL SINGER. THEY JUST NEED THE RIGHT PRODUCERS WHO REALLY KNOW THEIR VOICES. BUT DOESN'T OTIS KNOW THAT! I AM SUPRISED THAT THAT THE TEMPTATIONS DON'T SING MORE NEWER SONGS IN CONCERT. THAT IS ONE WAY TO GET THE PUBLIC FAMALIAR WITH THE NEWER MATERIAL.I WOULD REALLY WANT RON TO DO MORE OF HIS OWN LEADS (NOT JUST EDDIE KENDRICKS SONGS) IN CONCERT. AS FOR ALI, THE GUY IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES. I THOUGHT HE ADDED SO MUCH TO THE TEMPTATIONS WHEN HE WAS THERE. HE DID LEAD A LOT OF SONGS, BUT THAT'S JUST LIKE DENNIS WHEN HE WAS THERE, MOST OF THE SONGS WERE HIS. ALI IS ALSO A SONGWRITER SO I FELT HE COULD HELP IN THAT DEPARTMENT. I GUESS THAT IS WHY I PREFERRED ALI BACK IN OTIS GROUP BECAUSE I KNEW HE WOULD CARRY THE SHOW. DOESN'T OTIS KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC GETS TIRED OF THE CONSTANT LINE-UP CHANGES, THE SOUND AND THE HARMONY IS EFFECTED BY ALL THIS! AS A FAN THOUGH, I TRY TO SUPPORT THEM, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T AGREE WITH SOME OF THE DECISIONS OTIS MAKE. I ALSO REALIZE IT MUST BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH THE SAME FOUR GUYS DAY IN AND DAY OUT. DENNIS HAS MANAGED ON ONE CHANGE IN MANY YEARS OF THE REVIEW. RICHARD STREET IS ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHO I THOUGHT HAD IT PRETTY GOOD WHILE HE WAS IN THE TEMPTATIONS. HE REPLACED PAUL AND STAYED 21 YEARS AND HAD SOME DECENT SONGS ALONG THE WAY LIKE HEAVENLY, FIREFLY, AIMING AT YOUR HEART, AND SHOW ME YOUR LOVE. HOWEVER I DON'T THINK HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO START HIS OWN GROUP. HE SHOULD HAVE STAYED WITH THE TEMPS OR LEFT ALTOGETHER. MIKE WHAT DO YOU THINK OF OTHER TEMPTATIONS GROUPS. WHY SO MANY? AND IF YOU WERE AN EX TEMP WOULD YOU START YOU OWN GROUP. I WOULN'T BECAUSE I WOULDN'T I COULD DO IT ANY JUSTICE! MY REPUTATION WOULD SPEAK FOR ITSELF! If I contributed as much to the Temptations as Dennis Edwards has,yes I would start my own group. And for the record the Review DOES give it JUSTICE more so than any other group out there...Otis' group included Dennis' voice is on a lot of the hits ...Richard's isn't,Damon's isn't,Glenn's isn't,Bo's isn't ,Woodson's isn't and anybody in Otis' group isn't. Yeah,Richard has some "nice" songs with the group,Bo,Woodson,Damon and Glenn do too. But all of them put together can't match Dennis.That's why he's a Hall Of Fame Member...those others aren't...That should tell you something.Otis is a Hall Of Fame member but none of the guys that's singing FOR him are and the public hardly knows who they are. The public knows who Dennis is,especially when he sings. |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 13, 2006 1:53:39 GMT -5
I find it strannge that on a BOARD dedicated to the REVIEW all the two of you can do is talk about the TEMPTATIONS. That gospel cd platinum yet? Tin? Aluminum? LOL I guess it's on the same level as "Reflections". ;D
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Post by JustME on Jun 13, 2006 2:38:55 GMT -5
Good comeback RTF. How long did it take you to think of that one? You're quite the witty one. Why shouldn't I care? This board is dedicated to the Review am I wrong? Who said Reflections is't doing well Mike, YOU? It seems all you know how to do is put O anem down, why? You have some kinda personal agenda? I know u can't speak for the Review since apparently your backstage pass has been revoked. LOL. Boo Hoo Hoo  |
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Post by MikeNYC on Jun 13, 2006 14:45:47 GMT -5
Good comeback RTF. How long did it take you to think of that one? You're quite the witty one. Why shouldn't I care? This board is dedicated to the Review am I wrong? Who said Reflections is't doing well Mike, YOU? It seems all you know how to do is put O anem down, why? You have some kinda personal agenda? I know u can't speak for the Review since apparently your backstage pass has been revoked. LOL. Boo Hoo Hoo Miss Evita,don't cry for me Argentina...The truth is I never left you. I don't speak for the Review,that's not my job. I'm not a salesman for their products. I just enjoy them. Between me and you,I never had a "pass"...Never needed one,not even when I went backstage at Otis' group's show. Now,you asked who said that "Reflections" isn't doing well...Billboard magazine,the D.Jay's around the country that DON'T play the songs,some people and articles that are on YOUR board that say that it misses the mark. Need I say more? I like the Review's cd . I don't care who else doesn't just as long as they don't steal my copy I couldn't care less...I was not hired to sell the cd. Seems like you are hired to sell "Reflections",or is it "Just Me" that it looks that way to? LOL.It really doesn't matter,I've come to expect this from the "O" patrol. Mr. Bell and I were having a nice conversation.We respected the wishes of the administration of this fine board and had our conversation in another thread and low and behold here comes Bertha Buttinsky trying to disrupt things. What do you care if Mr. Bell and I are talking about the Tempts and the Review? You don't like the Review anyway.So why don't you go over to the O.A.K.A board and practice your worship,since it bothers you that people are not joining you in the butt-kissing that you do on a regular basis. You have nothing to add to this thread that's worthwhile and it shows. At least I respect Mr. Bell because we can hold a conversation even if we don't see eye to eye on things.And since you want to talk about the Review's gospel cd,why don't you do like the Staple Singers and "Get out the way and let the gentlemen do their thing? Respect Yourself",then maybe others can respect you also. ;D |
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Post by RealTemptation fan on Jun 14, 2006 13:27:17 GMT -5
Good comeback RTF. How long did it take you to think of that one? You're quite the witty one. Why shouldn't I care? This board is dedicated to the Review am I wrong? Who said Reflections is't doing well Mike, YOU? It seems all you know how to do is put O anem down, why? You have some kinda personal agenda? I know u can't speak for the Review since apparently your backstage pass has been revoked. LOL. Boo Hoo Hoo Because I am so witty it didn't take me long at all ;D ;D You shouldn't care because niether of these gentlemen are speaking to you,that's One. Two... this isn't your board ;D ;D. Three... they were instructed to do so by the moderator ;D ;D Four... this being a board dedicated to The Review but you continue to brang Otis Williams name up. ;D ;D Doesn't he have a board,website,sumthing? |
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