To: Lynnie and iratherlikeme

[SeainDennis]

Guest-Phi said:

I do detect some ill will here. There's no need for it. To tell the truth, I don't know what the policies are for taking materials from that site. I can appreciate the fact that you spent money, time and effort to obtain those pictures. I fully understand you on that issue. Point is, and I emphasize this....I thought the focual point of this, and any other Temptation/Review board was to share information and love for the world's greatest male vocal group. You sound like a rational, intelligent person. I presume that you indeed are. So, if you don't mind, let's get past this, and continue the real reason why we are here. Those girls are young, very..young. Give them the benefit of being young. They are still learning right from wrong. I know this for sure...They really love the Temptations. I see that the post about the pictures are from last year, however the discussion about it is ongoing. I didn't mean to start tempers flaring. I just tried to explain perhaps, that they probably meant you any harm

I don't know what you mean by 'ill will' because you don't know me or anyone here for that matter, to state something like that. It isn't an 'ongoing' issue because the last post prior to Blondie's post was in late January & the topic had already turned to something else. It was already put to bed. But that point is moot. And again, you really didn't read my post. I said the same thing, that I didn't think that those girls meant any harm. The point is that just because it says 'Temptations' doesn't necessarily mean that people HAVE to share what they have with others. They are already sharing it by putting it up on the site. I wouldn't tell someone else how to run their site & I don't think Fast appreciates someone else telling her how to run hers. I don't go to people's sites & take pictures just because. I would like to see you try that if you went to soulfuldetroit or any site that has Tempt related topics & tell them that they should allow people to take their pics because it's 'Tempts' related. Again, it's all about originality. Nobody wants to look like somebody else. That's my opinion & I'm sticking to it. Have a good day!

[FastNFancy]

Hello Phi! First you complain about Blondie's posting your comments here (attributing to where she got them); then you turn around and say you don't mind. If all you wanted was acknowledgement, then you should have stated that. Instead, you acted like someone had stolen something from you. So, if you don't mind the contents of your post being posted here, what is your concern?
As far as I am concerned, there is no ill will here. The ill will is on the other board where whyte folks are cracking jokes on black people and the black people are laffin their butts off. I have priorities, and none of them include making fun of the civil rights movement. Instead of trying to educate us, you might try that on that bored you come from. Will you please tell your administrator that it is not nice to make fun of the movement; and also inform the posters that it's not a good thing to laff at something that people have given their lives for. I simply would not tolerate it, yet not a black poster over there called Ellie Mae out. She continues to make those ignorant statements because those black posters (oops, I meant kneegroes) allow her. I don't see how any rational thinking black person could post over there and not challenge her. You're worried about your post being posted here; but in the meantime Ellie insults a whole race of people and no one says a word to her. Some of us need to really get our priorities in order!
Hotep!

[Phi]

SeainDennis said:

I don't know what you mean by 'ill will' because you don't know me or anyone here for that matter, to state something like that. It isn't an 'ongoing' issue because the last post prior to Blondie's post was in late January & the topic had already turned to something else. It was already put to bed. But that point is moot. And again, you really didn't read my post. I said the same thing, that I didn't think that those girls meant any harm. The point is that just because it says 'Temptations' doesn't necessarily mean that people HAVE to share what they have with others. They are already sharing it by putting it up on the site. I wouldn't tell someone else how to run their site & I don't think Fast appreciates someone else telling her how to run hers. I don't go to people's sites & take pictures just because. I would like to see you try that if you went to soulfuldetroit or any site that has Tempt related topics & tell them that they should allow people to take their pics because it's 'Tempts' related. Again, it's all about originality. Nobody wants to look like somebody else. That's my opinion & I'm sticking to it. Have a good day!

Again, I'm being misunderstood. I'm not, won't or will I make any attempt to tell anyone how to run a message board....Not my style. If a subject on a thread, and doesn't warrant futher discussion, simply lock it, and start a new one. That's logical. I didn't come here to argue.....There's no reason. True, I don't know you personally...that does not dismiss the fact that we can communicate like civilized human beings. If you are a true fan, you should not take a defensive stand on issues that does not diminish the purpose of a board. The purpose is to show admiration, and to share information regarding perserving the music and contributions of the Temptations, Review, and other Tempts spin-off groups. I didn't come here to disrepect you, or anyone else here. But to earn respect, you have to be willing to return the favor....That's all. Do you always speak for everyone here? Let me know, just for the record. Every place has rules....And I know that I haven't broken any. I consider you, if you don't mind, a friend. I would like to be known as a person that never knew a stranger. God bless you m'am and you too, have a good day!!

[SeainDennis]

Well, I feel like you are not understanding me either. And my dear, I haven't said ANYTHING disrespectful to you, so I don't know what you are talking about. It's weird that I'm being called defensive yet you say you are not here to 'argue'. If you view it as an 'argument' that's your prerogative but you started it. You made a statement saying that you detect some 'ill-will' & all I'm saying is that is incorrect. The whole photo issue was dead until you touched upon it again. I trust folks to be adult enough that if they had read the thread & noted the date on it, that there obviously, the whole issue was over & done with. Matter of fact, FF hasn't hardly responded in the thread. So there is no need to 'lock' it unless the adminstrator choses to do so. I was only attempting to explain that your assumptions were incorrect & that I was NOT trying to get into any arguments or confrontations. Alas, my attempt has failed again. I'm out & this conversation is over for me!

[Phi]

FastNFancy said:

Hello Phi! First you complain about Blondie's posting your comments here (attributing to where she got them); then you turn around and say you don't mind. If all you wanted was acknowledgement, then you should have stated that. Instead, you acted like someone had stolen something from you. So, if you don't mind the contents of your post being posted here, what is your concern?
As far as I am concerned, there is no ill will here. The ill will is on the other board where whyte folks are cracking jokes on black people and the black people are laffin their butts off. I have priorities, and none of them include making fun of the civil rights movement. Instead of trying to educate us, you might try that on that bored you come from. Will you please tell your administrator that it is not nice to make fun of the movement; and also inform the posters that it's not a good thing to laff at something that people have given their lives for. I simply would not tolerate it, yet not a black poster over there called Ellie Mae out. She continues to make those ignorant statements because those black posters (oops, I meant kneegroes) allow her. I don't see how any rational thinking black person could post over there and not challenge her. You're worried about your post being posted here; but in the meantime Ellie insults a whole race of people and no one says a word to her. Some of us need to really get our priorities in order!
Hotep!

Hello FastNFancy!! If I came off sounding like I was complaining, I certainly didn't mean to. As, far as the other stuff, (Elly May) was talking about, I didn't read it. From the drama it generated here, I don't intend to read it. I don't know how often you visit the Temptsinfo message board, but she does get checked from time to time. No one over there is insulated from that. This just me, if I find something offensive, and I KNOW that it doesn't pertain to me, I do some of these things: Ignore it, let it pass (not worth the trouble) God will work it out....He always does. I try not to play the race card. Nothing is wrong with education. Knowledge is the key to almost everything. Faith supplys the rest. If you feel like that particular subject matter offended, or violated you, just let her know. I don't mean argue. And I'm sure an apology will be offered, or a reasonable explaination will be given. If the Uncle Tom thing is happening there, I'll be on the look out. But then too, I'm not the type of person that will be looking for a fight. And you, my Dear, have a pleasant day.

[Phi]

SeainDennis said:

Well, I feel like you are not understanding me either. And my dear, I haven't said ANYTHING disrespectful to you, so I don't know what you are talking about. It's weird that I'm being called defensive yet you say you are not here to 'argue'. If you view it as an 'argument' that's your prerogative but you started it. You made a statement saying that you detect some 'ill-will' & all I'm saying is that is incorrect. The whole photo issue was dead until you touched upon it again. I trust folks to be adult enough that if they had read the thread & noted the date on it, that there obviously, the whole issue was over & done with. Matter of fact, FF hasn't hardly responded in the thread. So there is no need to 'lock' it unless the adminstrator choses to do so. I was only attempting to explain that your assumptions were incorrect & that I was NOT trying to get into any arguments or confrontations. Alas, my attempt has failed again. I'm out & this conversation is over for me!

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I mine. Just because you don't agree with mine, doesn't give you a permit to speak for others or attempt to devalue mine. The more we communicate, we will eventually understand each other. I'm willing, and I hope you are too. I hope, like Eddie Kendricks said: It's all water under the bridge. That being said, I wish you a Blessed Day.

[SeainDennis]

Guest-Phi said:

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I mine. Just because you don't agree with mine, doesn't give you a permit to speak for others or attempt to devalue mine. The more we communicate, we will eventually understand each other. I'm willing, and I hope you are too. I hope, like Eddie Kendricks said: It's all water under the bridge. That being said, I wish you a Blessed Day.

More gross misinterpretion. I don't know where you are saying that I'm 'speaking for everyone'. I never said such a thing. Again, you are waaaay out in left field & I don't understand what you are talking about. Again, all I was saying that no one here was still upset about this situation with the photos. Plain & simple. The issue was dead until you brought it up again as it related to Blondie. If you viewed what I said as I 'devaluing' what you said, that's utterly ridiculous & reaching. I don't know where any of this is coming from. We don't have to agree on anything! All I did was attempt clarify a situation & it's going somewhere else. Man, I should've never responded to this. I was politely trying to resolve this issue but again, it's going off the deep end. Lawd!

[Phi]

SeainDennis said:

Hello Shawdie! I'd like to take a quote from the great historian Dr. Carter G. Woodson. He said that, in essence, 'If there was no back door available, the negro would find a way to create one'. In short, what he was saying that we are so conditioned to accept any kind of degrading treatment, we embrace it. Blacks are their own worst enemy. Instead of nurturing & supporting our culture, we shun it & then get mad when someone else 'takes' it. No one can take anything from you that you give away! Of course, this doesn't excuse the behavior of white society but blacks need to get out of the 'we are so desperate to be accepted' mode. People can not do to you what you allow them to. I don't find the humor in iv's comment either but it's more appalling when some of us yuk it up as if it's something to laff about. That's why I do NOT go to her site. I don't have time to support that type of ignorance. You don't see anyone make light of what happened to the jews & their struggles after the holocaust. But black folks have to turn every damn thing into a joke & we allow others to do the same. It's no wonder other ethnic groups think that blacks are like the stereotypes that is continually perpertuated against us!

You make sense. But then too, everyone over ther doesn't fit the stereotype, however. Don't restrict yourself from going over there though. It's a free country.....Go where you want to. You don't have to respond to her....If you feel the need to respond to her.....Then DO IT!! Exercise your freedom of speech.

[Phi]

SeainDennis said:

More gross misinterpretion. I don't know where you are saying that I'm 'speaking for everyone'. I never said such a thing. Again, you are waaaay out in left field & I don't understand what you are talking about. Again, all I was saying that no one here was still upset about this situation with the photos. Plain & simple. The issue was dead until you brought it up again as it related to Blondie. If you viewed what I said as I 'devaluing' what you said, that's utterly ridiculous & reaching. I don't know where any of this is coming from. We don't have to agree on anything! All I did was attempt clarify a situation & it's going somewhere else. Man, I should've never responded to this. I was politely trying to resolve this issue but again, it's going off the deep end. Lawd!

Well, to be specific... not everyone.. I didn't say 'devaluing', I said, doesn't devalue, clearly two different meanings. If you were being polite. Thanks. True, we don't have to agree on anything, it would be nice to agree on some things. Can we still talk? I guess not about this, huh? To sum it up,perhaps, maybe we have just misuderstood each other.

[SeainDennis]

PS: Phi, don't you think you were devaluing Blondie by saying that she needed a better 'command' of the English language because she used cuss words?? Just because she 'cussed' doesn't make anyone seem less intelligent or that they have 'poor' English skills. I work amongst people with degrees everyday & some of them don't even have proper social graces. I'm not saying it's right for her to 'cuss' you but that's a little insulting to insinuate that somehow she is lacking in vocabulary skills because she did. Again, if you are talking about 'understanding', it has to work both ways.

And in response 2 above post: No, I have no interest to going to her message board. I've already travelled that road with that particular person plenty of times. It's insulting to me because too many of my people died so they can even have the right to read & write, much less march to right the wrongs that were done to them. I just don't see any humor in that.

[SeainDennis]

Guest-Phi said:

Well, to be specific... not everyone.. I didn't say 'devaluing', I said, doesn't devalue, clearly two different meanings. If you were being polite. Thanks. True, we don't have to agree on anything, it would be nice to agree on some things. Can we still talk? I guess not about this, huh? To sum it up,perhaps, maybe we have just misuderstood each other.

I'll concede that there is a misunderstanding. It's all good.

[Phi]

SeainDennis said:

I'll concede that there is a misunderstanding. It's all good.

Very good. I am glad. Feel free to respond. I know that your'e a very nice person.

[Phi]

SeainDennis said:

PS: Phi, don't you think you were devaluing Blondie by saying that she needed a better 'command' of the English language because she used cuss words?? Just because she 'cussed' doesn't make anyone seem less intelligent or that they have 'poor' English skills. I work amongst people with degrees everyday & some of them don't even have proper social graces. I'm not saying it's right for her to 'cuss' you but that's a little insulting to insinuate that somehow she is lacking in vocabulary skills because she did. Again, if you are talking about 'understanding', it has to work both ways.

And in response 2 above post: No, I have no interest to going to her message board. I've already travelled that road with that particular person plenty of times. It's insulting to me because too many of my people died so they can even have the right to read & write, much less march to right the wrongs that were done to them. I just don't see any humor in that.

I didn't mean anything personal or even try to devalue Blondie as a person. I'm quite sure that she's very intelligent. However, NOW THIS IS MY OPINION. I just don't agree with her choice of words. Words other than resorting to the use of profanity, can be just as effective in communicating, or getting your point across. You don't have to have a degree or any other credentials to know how to choose words. I agree there are individuals that are highly educated or have degrees that don't have social skills or grace. True again, everthing works both ways. I'm just a little old-fashioned in that sense. I not saying that she's not, now, but I think that it's unladylike to use vulgarities. Period. You may not agree, but that type of thing might encourage some of the young posters here to think that's ok, and forget where they are and use those words in the wrong place. Their parents or maybe some else might harm them physically or, God forbid, do even worse. I don't encourage that, or condone it in a public place like this. In case of a cuss attack coming on, I might be inclined to use one of the "Smileys" Understanding is a beautiful thing isn't it? Just allow it. Thanks, Later Love

[SeainDennis]

Guest-Phi said:

I didn't mean anything personal or even try to devalue Blondie as a person. I'm quite sure that she's very intelligent. However, NOW THIS IS MY OPINION. I just don't agree with her choice of words. Words other than resorting to the use of profanity, can be just as effective in communicating, or getting your point across. You don't have to have a degree or any other credentials to know how to choose words. I agree there are individuals that are highly educated or have degrees that don't have social skills or grace. True again, everthing works both ways. I'm just a little old-fashioned in that sense. I not saying that she's not, now, but I think that it's unladylike to use vulgarities. Period. You may not agree, but that type of thing might encourage some of the young posters here to think that's ok, and forget where they are and use those words in the wrong place. Their parents or maybe some else might harm them physically or, God forbid, do even worse. I don't encourage that, or condone it in a public place like this. In case of a cuss attack coming on, I might be inclined to use one of the "Smileys" Understanding is a beautiful thing isn't it? Just allow it. Thanks, Later Love

Okay, what I said didn't come out the way I wanted so let me try this again. I agree that having a degree has nothing to do with one's communications skills. I was just trying to use an analogy, though it was a bad one, because someone uses language that someone doesn't like, doesn't necessarily mean they are lacking in something. I guess for me, profanity doesn't bother me, depending on the context of it's usage. The folks that post here are adults so that's not really a problem.

That's one of the things that have always been a sticking point when it comes a group like The Temptations. They've had so much scandal in the group from drugs to women, it's kind of hard to 'tip toe' around these issues if children are present. I've always felt that group was more geared towards 'adults' to begin with & with the surge of interest because of the miniseries, obviously young people are fascinated too. But I think the fascination is with the personalities as well as the music. The group itself wasn't exactly 'goody shoes' & I think young folks, well at least some, can seperate the good & the bad. I've always been leery of young folks posting with adults in the first place because there are issues that they may not fully comprehend.

[Phi]

SeainDennis said:

Okay, what I said didn't come out the way I wanted so let me try this again. I agree that having a degree has nothing to do with one's communications skills. I was just trying to use an analogy, though it was a bad one, because someone uses language that someone doesn't like, doesn't necessarily mean they are lacking in something. I guess for me, profanity doesn't bother me, depending on the context of it's usage. The folks that post here are adults so that's not really a problem.

That's one of the things that have always been a sticking point when it comes a group like The Temptations. They've had so much scandal in the group from drugs to women, it's kind of hard to 'tip toe' around these issues if children are present. I've always felt that group was more geared towards 'adults' to begin with & with the surge of interest because of the miniseries, obviously young people are fascinated too. But I think the fascination is with the personalities as well as the music. The group itself wasn't exactly 'goody shoes' & I think young folks, well at least some, can seperate the good & the bad. I've always been leery of young folks posting with adults in the first place because there are issues that they may not fully comprehend.

Don't be so sure that only adults visit this site. The Temptations music is very gender-friendly. I'll use this as an example: (might be a bad example to you) 1. The girls that took those pics from this site are very young. One is a teen-ager. I was turned on by the Tempts at very early age. You know the age when the kid makes up his own words to a song. If something was going on bad with the group, most of it wasn't made public. Now we live in the high-tech world of the internet where just about anything can be accessed with the click of a mouse. A lot of people didn't get turned on to the Tempts until the mini-series aired. A lot of kids saw that. Bam!!! Curiosity kicks in.....I know, I'll surf for it on the 'net. Get my point? Now, everybody's business is out there for the general public. That's why I try to choose what I say. You never know who's reading. Plus, it shows everyone respect, and enhances one's vocabulary and at the same time improves one's writing skills. Anyone can curse, everyone, sad to say, can't read, write, or comphrehend. Take care.